In fact, some of the ancients, like the Latterday Saints, considered spirit itself to be material. 오리겐은 이들 중 일부가 실제로 신이 물질이라는 것을 증명하기 위해 요한복음을 사용했다고 불평했습니다! Fire and spirit, according to them, are to be regarded as nothing else than a body.