By the way, it was through Elin Wgner that we got to know each other. 에서 저는 뱅에 관한 기사를 썼고, 니나는 DN에 그에 관한 글을 썼습니다. Then we met at a freelance meeting, and she said, it was brave to write about Wgner but you may not know it, that it is out of date?